The podcast about how we make our technology.

And how our technology makes us. 


Recent Episodes


Darien + Tobias

One of us is a Ph.D. in literature and studies how the technologies we use and the stories we tell ourselves relate. The other one is an entrepreneur who works on making advanced data systems available to everyone. If you can't figure out which is which, you're not listening very closely. Read about us. 


Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

— Arthur C. Clarke



Apocalypse or Utopia?

Is our technology leading us towards ever greater human achievement and happiness, or are we on the slippery slope towards a digital hellscape? It's pretty hard to say, frankly. However, we try answer that question at the end of each episode with all the rigor you can expect from two fathers who are trying to fit in a podcast between their full-time jobs and their families.